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		<title>By: Noel</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-39077</link>
		<dc:creator>Noel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 19:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And this is the main reason I love www.testfreaks.com. Fascinating post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is the main reason I love <a href="http://www.testfreaks.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.testfreaks.com</a>. Fascinating post.</p>
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		<title>By: Arne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 18:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Will this driver work on my ati mobility readeon x700 for laptop?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this driver work on my ati mobility readeon x700 for laptop?</p>
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		<title>By: Ntreik</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-29320</link>
		<dc:creator>Ntreik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 21:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to ask, how was it possible to install dx10.1??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to ask, how was it possible to install dx10.1??</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad to see the performance increase for the 4870. I think I saw an improvement with my MSI HD4850 running at 685/1100 clocks. Mostly testing with Mass Effect and Grid, but I think I&#039;m still CPU limited but running at 1920x1200 with maxed detail settings. I may need to go back and test the older driver for qualitative comparison.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see the performance increase for the 4870. I think I saw an improvement with my MSI HD4850 running at 685/1100 clocks. Mostly testing with Mass Effect and Grid, but I think I&#8217;m still CPU limited but running at 1920&#215;1200 with maxed detail settings. I may need to go back and test the older driver for qualitative comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: kristofer</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-28427</link>
		<dc:creator>kristofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[here&#039;s something that just popped into my inbox:

We recieved a lot of feedback in regards to features, quality and performance that we wanted to address.

 

For answers to our most common questions, we are providing the below Q&amp;A.

 

 

Q&amp;A

 

Q:        What are the specific issues users of ATI Video Converter may encounter?

A:       Users running 32-bit software on 64-bit systems are encountering issues getting quality output from the encoder and 32-bit users have also experienced some anomalies in the playback. It was not released for support on 64-bit operating systems.  Our engineering teams have been alerted of the 32-bit issues and are currently working to address them.  We have a defined roadmap for the application and plan to add new baseline functionality, ease-of-use and stability in coming versions.

 

 

Q:        Why are reviewers seeing so little GPU processing during transcoding?

A:       The ATI Video Converter uses the GPU for only a portion of the video encoding. Specifically, the GPU currently offloads only the motion estimation portion of the encoding pipeline which is the most compute intensive part of the encoder. The GPU is particularly well-suited for this task. Given that a fixed workload is being offloaded to the GPU the load on the GPU may be relatively low or high based on the specific model of GPU.

 

Q:      When will the stability and quality of the ATI Video Converter improve in a new release?

A:       We have a defined roadmap for the application and plan to add new baseline functionality, ease-of-use and stability in coming versions.  We are evaluating now when we can most quickly offer those improvements, and will update you as soon as we have more information.

 

Q:        Why did AMD release such a buggy software application into the market?

A:       The ATI Video Converter is a basic utility that introduces users of Catalyst to the capabilities of Stream processing on 32-bit operating systems.  While it isn’t perfect, The level of functionality and quality is appropriate for maximizing the conversion speed on the most widely used video formats.  Improvements are already being made and users can expect to have  a much higher quality experience with future revisions.

 

Q:        Why does ATI Video Converter not work on 64-bit operating systems when so many PCs are moving in that direction?

A:      While the move to 64-bit is well underway, 32-bit OS’s satisfy the mainstream consumer and the ATI Video Converter was to fill that segment first.  We are evaluating our roadmap for future improvements, including the possibility of offering a 64-bit solution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>here&#8217;s something that just popped into my inbox:</p>
<p>We recieved a lot of feedback in regards to features, quality and performance that we wanted to address.</p>
<p>For answers to our most common questions, we are providing the below Q&amp;A.</p>
<p>Q&amp;A</p>
<p>Q:        What are the specific issues users of ATI Video Converter may encounter?</p>
<p>A:       Users running 32-bit software on 64-bit systems are encountering issues getting quality output from the encoder and 32-bit users have also experienced some anomalies in the playback. It was not released for support on 64-bit operating systems.  Our engineering teams have been alerted of the 32-bit issues and are currently working to address them.  We have a defined roadmap for the application and plan to add new baseline functionality, ease-of-use and stability in coming versions.</p>
<p>Q:        Why are reviewers seeing so little GPU processing during transcoding?</p>
<p>A:       The ATI Video Converter uses the GPU for only a portion of the video encoding. Specifically, the GPU currently offloads only the motion estimation portion of the encoding pipeline which is the most compute intensive part of the encoder. The GPU is particularly well-suited for this task. Given that a fixed workload is being offloaded to the GPU the load on the GPU may be relatively low or high based on the specific model of GPU.</p>
<p>Q:      When will the stability and quality of the ATI Video Converter improve in a new release?</p>
<p>A:       We have a defined roadmap for the application and plan to add new baseline functionality, ease-of-use and stability in coming versions.  We are evaluating now when we can most quickly offer those improvements, and will update you as soon as we have more information.</p>
<p>Q:        Why did AMD release such a buggy software application into the market?</p>
<p>A:       The ATI Video Converter is a basic utility that introduces users of Catalyst to the capabilities of Stream processing on 32-bit operating systems.  While it isn’t perfect, The level of functionality and quality is appropriate for maximizing the conversion speed on the most widely used video formats.  Improvements are already being made and users can expect to have  a much higher quality experience with future revisions.</p>
<p>Q:        Why does ATI Video Converter not work on 64-bit operating systems when so many PCs are moving in that direction?</p>
<p>A:      While the move to 64-bit is well underway, 32-bit OS’s satisfy the mainstream consumer and the ATI Video Converter was to fill that segment first.  We are evaluating our roadmap for future improvements, including the possibility of offering a 64-bit solution.</p>
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		<title>By: kristofer</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-28343</link>
		<dc:creator>kristofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 18:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, personally I&#039;m a relatively new ATI guy... been running nvidia SLI for a couple years now, this is the first time in a while I&#039;ve run ATI in my main rig....  and I&#039;ll be honest with you I don&#039;t have the time to install old drivers and re-run benches, I&#039;m swamped with stuff going on...but it&#039;s an idea that maybe I do do next month when things slow down.. but I can&#039;t promise anything]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, personally I&#8217;m a relatively new ATI guy&#8230; been running nvidia SLI for a couple years now, this is the first time in a while I&#8217;ve run ATI in my main rig&#8230;.  and I&#8217;ll be honest with you I don&#8217;t have the time to install old drivers and re-run benches, I&#8217;m swamped with stuff going on&#8230;but it&#8217;s an idea that maybe I do do next month when things slow down.. but I can&#8217;t promise anything</p>
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		<title>By: capricorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>capricorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:42:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kristo: any joy running additional benchmarks? I know a lot of ppl are not really interested in this, so I will understand if you didnt give it further thought. I even contacted Fudzilla, and Fuad&#039;s response was typical: he simply ran a single benchmark comparing AVIVO to competing solutions, which in no way tests AMD claims that video transcoding should now be faster because it&#039;s being done on the graphics card. You hAVE to compare different avivo versions to test that claim, yet no one has done it, or seems interested in doing it.

Also, I&#039;ve raised that ticket with ATI support, but no joy just yet. Still holding out they will respond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kristo: any joy running additional benchmarks? I know a lot of ppl are not really interested in this, so I will understand if you didnt give it further thought. I even contacted Fudzilla, and Fuad&#8217;s response was typical: he simply ran a single benchmark comparing AVIVO to competing solutions, which in no way tests AMD claims that video transcoding should now be faster because it&#8217;s being done on the graphics card. You hAVE to compare different avivo versions to test that claim, yet no one has done it, or seems interested in doing it.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve raised that ticket with ATI support, but no joy just yet. Still holding out they will respond.</p>
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		<title>By: capricorn</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-28296</link>
		<dc:creator>capricorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks a much. will be amusing to see who gets a response first ;)

but was your source video, and to which format were u trying to transcode to? Also, which quality setting you use?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks a much. will be amusing to see who gets a response first <img src='http://blog.testfreaks.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>but was your source video, and to which format were u trying to transcode to? Also, which quality setting you use?</p>
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		<title>By: kristofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Capricorn, Yes I only mentioned I tested it, and I also said that I didn&#039;t go into any real testing because I couldn&#039;t get consistent results. I wanted to test it, I actually used three other programs before testing the AVIVO as I was going to use those results for comparison, but I couldn&#039;t get Avivo to give me consistent results every time, it basically didn&#039;t work for me every time, so I figured why post results that just weren&#039;t able to be achieved consistently by the end user.

I&#039;m also in touch with ATI, and am waiting for a  response about that and a couple other small things I found. Once I get a response I&#039;ll post it here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Capricorn, Yes I only mentioned I tested it, and I also said that I didn&#8217;t go into any real testing because I couldn&#8217;t get consistent results. I wanted to test it, I actually used three other programs before testing the AVIVO as I was going to use those results for comparison, but I couldn&#8217;t get Avivo to give me consistent results every time, it basically didn&#8217;t work for me every time, so I figured why post results that just weren&#8217;t able to be achieved consistently by the end user.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also in touch with ATI, and am waiting for a  response about that and a couple other small things I found. Once I get a response I&#8217;ll post it here.</p>
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		<title>By: capricorn</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-28294</link>
		<dc:creator>capricorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Kristo

I&#039;ve noted you only paid lip service to actually &#039;testing&#039; AVIVO&#039;s supposedly new and improved functionality due to Stream Computing: you only showed screens of the process. A proper review should include a comparison between different version of AVIVO to SHOW the actual claimed improvement.

To whet your interest, I did a comparison myself between the AVIVO versions in catalyst 8.10 and 8.12 RC3, and the officially released catalyst 8.12.

Hardware:
AMD Phenom 9600+ BlacK Edition (stock clocks)
DFI 790FX M2R
Sapphire HD 4870 X2 2GB
4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers
Vista Home Premium SP1

 I encoded a 348MB xvid video file using the Portable Media profile in AVIVO, with quality setting set to High.
These were my results:
cat 8.10 2m13s
cat 8.12 RC3 2m00s
cat 8.12 2m16s

WTH? 

Also of interest, is the fact that CPU utilisation was EXACTLY the same for all three tests. Previously. AVIVO only used CPU power, and since Cat 8.12 had exactly the same CPU utilisation profile as previous AVIVO versions, the only conclusion I can make at this stage is that Stream Computing via the Graphics card IS NOT WORKING in catalyst 8.12 (might be a function of my specific hardware setup, but I have my doubts...), and is STILL running ONLY off the CPU.

I&#039;ve logged a fault with ATI, but have yet to receive any communication with them on the phenomena i&#039;ve observed. I am hoping that independent reviewers as yourself might be able to forthcoming with a quicker response. 
I look forward to that response.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kristo</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noted you only paid lip service to actually &#8216;testing&#8217; AVIVO&#8217;s supposedly new and improved functionality due to Stream Computing: you only showed screens of the process. A proper review should include a comparison between different version of AVIVO to SHOW the actual claimed improvement.</p>
<p>To whet your interest, I did a comparison myself between the AVIVO versions in catalyst 8.10 and 8.12 RC3, and the officially released catalyst 8.12.</p>
<p>Hardware:<br />
AMD Phenom 9600+ BlacK Edition (stock clocks)<br />
DFI 790FX M2R<br />
Sapphire HD 4870 X2 2GB<br />
4GB Crucial Ballistix Tracers<br />
Vista Home Premium SP1</p>
<p> I encoded a 348MB xvid video file using the Portable Media profile in AVIVO, with quality setting set to High.<br />
These were my results:<br />
cat 8.10 2m13s<br />
cat 8.12 RC3 2m00s<br />
cat 8.12 2m16s</p>
<p>WTH? </p>
<p>Also of interest, is the fact that CPU utilisation was EXACTLY the same for all three tests. Previously. AVIVO only used CPU power, and since Cat 8.12 had exactly the same CPU utilisation profile as previous AVIVO versions, the only conclusion I can make at this stage is that Stream Computing via the Graphics card IS NOT WORKING in catalyst 8.12 (might be a function of my specific hardware setup, but I have my doubts&#8230;), and is STILL running ONLY off the CPU.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve logged a fault with ATI, but have yet to receive any communication with them on the phenomena i&#8217;ve observed. I am hoping that independent reviewers as yourself might be able to forthcoming with a quicker response.<br />
I look forward to that response.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 03:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[pretty lame performance increases.

And that AVIVO video transcoder has been around for ages now!! looks exactly the same as before, and seems to be next to useless as before aswell (hardly any formats actually come thru working after transcoding.) 

Come on ATI i know you can do better than this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pretty lame performance increases.</p>
<p>And that AVIVO video transcoder has been around for ages now!! looks exactly the same as before, and seems to be next to useless as before aswell (hardly any formats actually come thru working after transcoding.) </p>
<p>Come on ATI i know you can do better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: P4 + 1950pro agp</title>
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		<dc:creator>P4 + 1950pro agp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I still have an old P4 northwood @ 3.55Ghz with 1.5GB OCZ ram on an Abit Max3 with a 1950pro.
I haven&#039;t really benched these much but from what I can tell you is that these drivers lowered my 3dmark06 score from by about 40pts but where it counts is in FarCry 2... the score went up from an average of about 24fps to about 31fps.  Nice jump for an old system like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I still have an old P4 northwood @ 3.55Ghz with 1.5GB OCZ ram on an Abit Max3 with a 1950pro.<br />
I haven&#8217;t really benched these much but from what I can tell you is that these drivers lowered my 3dmark06 score from by about 40pts but where it counts is in FarCry 2&#8230; the score went up from an average of about 24fps to about 31fps.  Nice jump for an old system like this.</p>
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		<title>By: kristofer</title>
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		<dc:creator>kristofer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Which C2d runs at 3.4ghz without overclocking it?  Not everyone has the top of the line CPUs, and considering the PCU I&#039;m running is one of the most popular out there, I think it scales very well with &#039;common&#039; systems]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which C2d runs at 3.4ghz without overclocking it?  Not everyone has the top of the line CPUs, and considering the PCU I&#8217;m running is one of the most popular out there, I think it scales very well with &#8216;common&#8217; systems</p>
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		<title>By: han</title>
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		<dc:creator>han</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This CPU is too slow to test this card. C2D over 3.4ghz would scale better with r4870.  Card is blocked by cpu so results are not good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This CPU is too slow to test this card. C2D over 3.4ghz would scale better with r4870.  Card is blocked by cpu so results are not good.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://blog.testfreaks.com/information/ati-catalyst-812-performance-analysis/comment-page-1/#comment-28254</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 08:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vsync ON on Fallout 3 test? Best way to screw a test and give unrepresentative results.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vsync ON on Fallout 3 test? Best way to screw a test and give unrepresentative results.</p>
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